Jake Swamp Pine  
  

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TOPIC: Confirming the Exact Height of the Tallest Tree in New England:
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/0bbf30f126ab872d?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 3:48 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net

Confirming the Exact Height of the Tallest Tree in New England:

The effort that ENTS has put into measuring the Jake Swamp white pine in Mohawk Trail State Forest has, by any reasonable measure, been extraordinary - excessive to non-quantitatively inclined tree lovers, no doubt. I, alone, measure that great white pine as many as 20 times in a year and I have no thoughts of hanging up my lasers. Jake will continue to receive attention.
However, I am not alone in lavishly heaping numerical attention onto Jake. Over the years, our tall tree champion has been measured by such notables as Jack Sobon, Colby Rucker, Bob Van Pelt, Will Blozan, John Eichholz, Gary Beluzo, John Knuerr, Howard Stoner, and probably others assisting one of the foregoing. In terms of members of the A-team, I don’t specifically recall if Ed, Dale Tony, or Carl measured the tree, or if superstar Jess Riddle measured Jake. Regardless, the list of stars who have is long and impressive.
Beyond ground-based measurements, the Jake tree has been climbed and tape-drop measured twice and it will be climbed and measured a third time this fall. Will Blozan made the initial climb in 1998. Michael Davie climbed and tape-drop measured Jake in 2001. Will Blozan and possible others (Andrew Joslin?) will climb Jake on November 1st. 2008. So, suffice it to say that Jake has garnered ample attention from a host of distinguished tree measurers working on the ground or aloft over the years and this state of affairs is guaranteed to continue so long as Jake performs for us as he has done so outstandingly since 1992.
So, it was appropriate that on Thursday, I went to Mohawk to test my new Nikon Prostaff 550 and chose Jake as the logical tree to measure. The day was crystal clear and Jake’s highest leader stood out cleanly against the background of a bright blue sky. Unfortunately, blue sky bodes poorly for using my expensive TruPulse lasers. They do much better when the sky is cloudy. They do not return accurate bounces when the target is small and framed against the background of a bright blue sky. You have to aim lower in the crown to a spot where the foliage is thicker and broader, and of course, that means you don’t measure the highest spot in the crown.
However, on Thursday I was fully prepared. I took three other lasers: my new Prostaff 550, the older Prostaff 440, and the really aging, but still useful, Bushnell 800. For angles, I decided to use the clinometers built into the two TruPulses. You can get clinometer measures regardless of the target’s clarity or background illumination. The clinometer in the TruPulse is just a tilt sensor.
I decided to use all five instruments in one way or another to see what kind of results I would get comparing the different readings. It was in this respect a thought experiment. I would use three of the five instruments for distance ( 2 Nikons and the Bushnell) and the remaining two for angles (the TruPulses). I decided to use the tape measure to establish the distance to the base. A tape-measured result to the base would eliminate the problem of trying to get good laser returns from the base through the clutter. With this plan, I was set. The following table gives the results.

 

Calculation of height of Jake Swamp Tree

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DISTANCE in

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 FT

 

NK550

 

NK440

 

BS800

 

Over All

 

Lowest measure for the top

 

216

 

216

 

216

 

 

 

 

Highest  measure for the top

 

219

 

219

 

219

 

 

 

 

Avg

 

217.5

 

217.5

 

217.5

 

217.5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bottom

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

188

 

(Tape)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANGLE in

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 DEGREES

 

TP360

TP200

 

 

 

Over All

 

Lowest measure for the top

 

31.1

30.6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highest measure for the top

 

31.3

30.6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Avg

 

31.2

30.6

 

 

 

 

30.9

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lowest measure for the bottom

 

17.1

18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Highest measure for the  bottom

 

17.4

18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Avg

 

17.25

18

 

 

 

 

17.63

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HEIGHT CALCULATIONS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Above eye level

 

sin(30.9)*217.5

 

 

 

111.70

 

 

Below eye level

 

sin(17.63)*188

 

 

 

56.94

 

 

Total Height

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

168.64

 

 

The above, latest determination of Jake’s height stands in opposition to the more common ENTS approach that uses the highest values returned for distance and angle. However, I chose the above route for good reason, especially considering the mix of equipment.
If I were to selectively choose maximums, e.g. from the TruPulse 200 for angle and the Prostaff 550 for distance, or some other equipment combination, I could get values as high as 169.68 by one selection, 169.58 by another, etc. Close!
From the above data, I could make a good argument that a defensible height based on the maximums is around 169.6 feet. Following a similar strategy, using the minimums, I could go as low as 167.6 feet. Using the average of maximums and minimums, I get 168.6 feet as the midpoint between the minimums and maximums.
I should point out that all three distance measuring instruments gave return bounces off Jake’s high point of 72 yards at times and 73 at others. I shot repeatedly with all three instruments and consistently got either 72 or 73 yards with each instrument. No bounce registered as low as 71 or as high as 74 yards.
I settled on an average of 72.5 yards. That seemed reasonable to me because all three instruments can shoot long or short as demonstrated in my tape measure comparison studies. Also, the use of the average is consistent with the literature on the lasers that quotes accuracies in terms of +/-. I would further point out that my Prostaff 440 often shoots long by half a yard. So using 72.5 seems justified.
Experimenting with the various combinations points to 168.6 as the most probable figure, with arguments for 169.6 feet duly acknowledged. BTW, on two recent occasions, I got exactly 169.1 feet as the height of Jake, and prior to this latest exercise, I had settled on 169.1 as the most probable height. I abandoned 170 from an even earlier measurement. That stretches my luck a little too far. So, until Will proves otherwise, it’s 168.6 feet for celebrity Jake, the tallest tree in New England.
For new members of ENTS who don’t know the history, Jake was first measured in November 1992 by Jack Sobon and myself and was 155.3 feet at the time, based on careful cross-checking transit measurements. Then, Will Blozan taped dropped Jake in Nov 1998 and got 158.6 feet. In the 16 years that have followed the first measurement, Jakes average growth rate has been 0.83 feet per year if we consider the current height as 168.6 feet. However, if Jake is 169.6 feet, then the average growth rate is 0.89 feet per year. I do have other input on annual growth rates.
Based on Macroscope 25 measurements made in three successive years of the new-year growth candle, Jake is putting on height at about 13 inches per year, a much higher annual rate when compared with the growth rate between 1992 and 1998, which averaged only 0.5 feet. Crown damage over the course of 16 years is highly probable.
Now to an important question: Why are we spending so much time specifically on the Jake Tree? There are several reasons. First, the white pine is a key economic and aesthetic symbol of a bygone New England. Henry David Thoreau spoke of the loss of the great virgin white pines, towering 150 feet and more along the banks of New England’s rivers. In “Tall Trees, Tough Men”, author Robert Pike speaks of the great pines of the past with almost religious reverence. The use of the species by the Royal Navy for ship masts is well documented and led to violent conflicts between colonists and British authorities. The great whites are embedded in our New England history. White pine sap runs through New England’s arteries and veins. A few stalwarts still romantically search for symbols of the King’s Pines, hoping to find some huge old snag that shows the three hatchet marks. Jake is our best symbol of that history, interest, and admiration. Viva La Jake!

Bob


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 4:10 pm
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"


Bob,

As you wrote: "The effort that ENTS has put into measuring the Jake Swamp white pine in Mohawk Trail State Forest has, by any reasonable measure, been extraordinary - excessive to non-quantitatively inclined tree lovers, no doubt. I, alone, measure that great white pine as many as 20 times in a year and I have no thoughts of hanging up my lasers. Jake will continue to receive attention." I see that all of these efforts by many people over the years to humor you about this tree has only served to feed you obsession. I am truly sorry. I am sure with several years of therapy you will recover...

Ed


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 5:38 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net


Ed,

Not a chance. I'm absolutely beyond help. Measure, measure, measure ..... and measure some more.

Bob


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 6:21 pm
From: Gary Smith


Bob,

Seems to me I may have asked this before on a previous thread, but how
old do you reckon Big Jake to be?

13 inches of annual terminal growth for a mature Eastern tree is
impressive, especially in a part of the country with a shorter growing
season. Must have been having some good tree growing weather up your
way.

gs


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 6:40 pm
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"


Gary,

We could cut it down and count the rings...Then Bob would not need to measure it anymore.

Ed



== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 7:00 pm
From: Gary Smith


Ed,

He would just find a substitute, lol.

Another Eastern white pine question....do the real aged, old growth
specimens take on that flattened top appearance, like we see in bald
cypress and longleaf pine in the South? Almost like there is an
invisible ceiling that will not let those trees grow any higher.

gs


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 7:11 pm
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"

Gary,

I don't know, but there are many factors to consider. But once they break through the canopy of the other species or reach the top of the canopy, their tops are subject to much more wind, weather, and damage. The tops can break off and resprout over and over again creating a bushier flatter top. Also there is not really much advantage to growing much taller than the surrounding trees, because once the tree emerges from the top of the canopy it already has open sky to receive sunlight. Older trees have more time to get their tops broken than do younger trees, so broken and regrown tops are more common in older than younger trees.

Ed


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TOPIC: Confirming the Exact Height of the Tallest Tree in New England:
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/0bbf30f126ab872d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 5:25 am
From: dbhguru@comcast.net


Gary,

I think the Jake tree is about 150 years old based on ring counts of a couple of trees in the area.

Bob


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 3:26 pm
From: Lee Frelich

Gary:

Yes, old white pines do stop height growth as if there were an invisible
ceiling, and that ceiling is at the height to which the tree can supply
water to the uppermost twigs. This causes the top to flatten over a period
of several decades, as side branches grow up to the limit established
earlier by the leader.

Lee