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TOPIC: Hospital Hawthorns
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/36ca458b10ecc248?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 6 2008 10:24 pm
From: James Parton

Mission Hospital Hawthorns


ENTS,

Yesterday while at the hospital awaiting the completion of Mom's surgery I did a little local " tree hunting including visiting the Brooklet Oak, which I posted on yesterday. Across from the hospital bordering another building along Biltmore Ave between Brooklet Street and Victoria Rd grew three nice hawthorn trees.

4ft 6in cbh Hawthorn

The type I am uncertain of but strongly suspect them being Winter King or Washington Hawthorns. The bright red haws are found on the ground under the trees. The thorns average about 2 inches long. Hawthorns are among my favorite trees and I have always found them really pretty. The flowers in May their thorns give them character as does the twisted appearance of the trunks that many seem to have. 

4 foot 1/2 inch cbh Hawthorn

4 foot cbh Hawthorn

These are among the largest hawthorns I have seen in WNC though I have seen some in Pisgah National Forest that are of considerable size also.

4' 0" cbh Hawthorn

4' 1/2" cbh Hawthorn

4' 6" cbh Hawthorn

I have attached three pictures of the hawthorns to the post and will upload a higher resolution one to the file page.

A nearby maple was a rather sizeable 11' 1 1/2" cbh.

Two days before while seaching for mom a new laptop, I spied a large oak across from Staples on Orange Street. It was a decent 11' 10" cbh. Without the leaves I have trouble telling the exact species. There are so many types of Quercus and many hybridize, though I don't think the white oak & red oak groups can mix.

James Parton

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 6 2008 10:56 pm
From: "Edward Frank"


James,

Great Looking Hawthorns. You really need to get a clinometer and rangefinder. How tall would you estimate the larger of the Hawthorns to be? Maybe around 35 feet? Spread 30 feet or so? That would make it 96 points using the AF system. within 10 points of the National Champion. As it is not a heavily measured species, that may not mean anything besides it is an unusually large hawthorn for the species.

In your shot from across the street. You can get a fair estimate of the height from a distance if there is an object/person of known height in the same plane as the tree in terms of distance. So from across the road there, there will be only a small angular distortion. then you can use a photo editing program to measure the height of the object/person in pixels. then measure the height of the tree in pixels, and calculate the height that way. It is not as good as the laser clinometer, but better than the tangent methods. testing it on some trees in the 50 feet and under range, I generally got within a couple feet of the actual height.

Ed

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 7 2008 3:22 am
From: Beth Koebel


James and Ed,

I agree it looks to be about 35' tall(1-1/2 stories).
I also have planned to seek out and measure cockspur
hawthorns this year. They, like the other hawthorns,
don't get measured that much. In fact there is no
specimen listed on the Illinois State Champion list.

Beth