Jarrid Spicer Ancient Forests of the East  

TOPIC: ancient forest of the east

== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 8:59 am
From: jarrid spicer



hi everyone I have been working on a project for my MFA theses and I
think you will all enjoy it. The project is titled "Ancient Forest of
The East" I traveled from NY down the appalachian mountains and ended
up in Key West. I shot the smokies, congaree, cook forest, joyce
kilmer, beidler, the everglades, and some in the keys among other
spots. I just got my web page up and I thought I would share it with
everyone. Without this website I don't think I would have found such
fantastic forest to shoot, so thank you all!


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 9:53 am
From: Andrew Joslin

Beautiful work Jarrid, thanks for posting it.

I would like to see some location info per photo but it is fun to
guess general location based on the terrain/species in the images.

Andrew Joslin
Jamaica Plain, MA

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 10:17 am
From: Josh Kelly

Great stuff, Jarrid! Those photos are bad ass! Old-growth is
extremely hard to capture on film, but the combination of your eye and
the large format photos have done it.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 12:55 pm
From: Christine Schadler

Gorgeous photos. Do you plan to make any of these shots available?

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 2:59 pm
From: James Parton


@#*&#%! AWESOME dude! I have been an amateur photographer for a
little while but you are WAY ahead of me. Great website!

What kind of cameras do you use. I use a Nikon D40.

James P.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 4:29 pm
From: jarrid spicer

sure I would love to sell some of them. My standard size for all of the ones in the Ancient forest portfolio is 20x40 and I have been selling them for $400 unmatted and unframed (some I can make bigger on request) but for anyone that is a member of ENTS I would be happy to cut that in half and make them $200. I'm sure you all would appreciate them and give them a good home. I have been working on putting titles on them for the web site to make identifying them a bit easier, I'm still working on it.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Nov 11 2008 4:45 pm
From: jarrid spicer

For this project I bought a large medium format camera and shot film but I use a lot of cameras depending on the project at hand. I wanted to make big prints and film still seems to beat out digital for size, my biggest one has been 40x100 inches. I did just post a $200 price for 20x40's for any ENTS member which is half of the norm if anyone was wondering, if you are you should just e-mail me at jaxtapoze@hotmail.com or photo@jarridspicer.com 

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 5:47 am
From: Marcboston

Excellent work! I wish you luck with your new webpage! I have done a
fair amount of landscape photography and curious what size lense you
like to employ? I recently picked up a super wide lense 10-20mm and
have had a really fun time with it. I am not familiar with large or
medium format cameras, but have noticed many pros like to use them.
I believe that Thomas Pakenham used a large format camera while taking
pictures of trees for his book "Remarkable Trees of the World" . Then
again I could be wrong. In any event you took some really great
shots. Take care.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 8:48 am
From: Miles Lowry

Great work...luscious!!!
I shoot with a Hasselblad and combine frames in Photoshop...my stuff
is on the ENTS page...

Please contact me off lilst...maybe we can
share sites that each of us has visited and talk pricing. I think
there is a market for your work. I have a few years of experience
selling in the fine art world that might be of help to you.

Once again....great stuff!
Miles Lowry

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 12:47 pm

I wondered if your tree library had any of the following references on eastern white pine volume data :



Form-Class Volume Tables (2nd Edition). 1948. Department of Mines and Resources, Mines, Forests, and Scientific Services Branch, Dominion Forest Service, Ottawa, Canada.


Beck, Donald E. 1971. Polymorphic Site Index Curves for White pine in the Southern Appalachians. Dept. of Agriculture Forest Service, Southeastern Forest Experiment Station, Asheville, North Carolina.



Leak, William B. 1970. Yields of Eastern white pine in New England Related to Age, Site, and Stocking. USDA Forest Service Research Paper, Northeastern Forest Experiment Station, Upper Darby, PA.

Leak, William B. 1970. Yields of Eastern white pine in New England Related to Age, Site, and Stocking. USDA Forest Service Research Paper, Northeastern Forest Experiment Station, Upper Darby, PA.
Variable Density

Leak, William B. 1970. Yields of Eastern white pine in New England Related to Age, Site, and Stocking. USDA Forest Service Research Paper, Northeastern Forest Experiment Station, Upper Darby, PA.
I chose older tables, thinking that they might be more in line with older (higher form class) trees.


== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 2:07 pm
From: "Edward Frank"


I guess everything boils down to one general observation. It seems to me that looking at all the numbers and formulas you have generated, a remarkable accomplishment that I could not have done, the biggest factor contributing noise to your results is the variation in the amount and height of the basal flare of the trunk. Without the basal flare, I believe the results from your equations would demonstrate a much cleaner pattern of shape characteristics related to the age and growing conditions of the tree. So I think that incorporating the girth at the root collar into your formulas will serve to only add more noise to the overall results. I understand that your goal is to find physical parameters that can be measured with a tape to remove variations in interpretations between different observers of the overall tree trunk shape. You want objective measurements, rather than subjective assessments. I think the process of using the girth at the root collar creates more problems than is gained by it being an objective measurement. I am not sure how to generate a protocol that would allow different observers to assess the overall shape of a tree trunk and obtain the same results, but this is what I think is a better option than using the girth at the root collar. I hope you and everyone else realizes that the vehemence of my arguments is simply meant to persuade and not meant otherwise.


"Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both. "
Robert Frost (18741963). Mountain Interval. 1920.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 4:18 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net


I basically agree with what you are saying. Determining upper and lower boundaries for the volume at the outset by using a cross-sectional area that leads to over-estimation and another that leads to under-estimation with a common F value is just a first step. I apply it when I really don't have a simple way of refining the F value applied for a particular height (BH) on the trunk. My preference really is to manipulate F from a standard spot.
The big challenge for us is to find ways of refining F, which we agree conveys critical information about trunk shape. In general, the value for all pines will fall between 0.3 and 0.5 using BH to establish the basal area. However, this is a very wide range. We know that the canonical form of the trunk, courtesy of the forestry profession's past modeling efforts, starts as a neiloid (F=0.25), changes to paraboloid for a section, then goes to a cone (F=0.33), and in some cases back to a paraboloid. An F value we would select for a particular tree would have to reflect the proper averaging of these forms for the tree being modeled, but we are not very far along in refining the process.
A point I would make about the BH standard for modeling purposes. On some trees, 4.5 feet up is still in the neiloid zone. On other trunks, 4.5 feet is in the zone of the paraboloid or cone shape. Seldom will the 4.5-foot height coincide with an inflection point. If it did, it would be far more useful in tree modeling. BVP likes to go much higher up the trunk to get a circumference in order to volume model. He wants to be clear of the root flare influence - a point you well understand, Ed. Of course, if we are modeling the tree with a reticle or through a climbing, we can look for inflection points and establish frustums that correspond to the same kind of curvature, but in lieu of detailed modeling, maybe we should choose the height where the point of inflection occurs. Just a thought.


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 5:37 pm
From: "Edward Frank"


Yes that is the crux of the problem. Some of the measurements are in the neloid zone, while others are above it. BVP's idea of measuring higher is good, but there is always a counter of practicality. How can a measurement be made consistent and ideal at the same time? Breast height is better than lower measurements, because the higher up the less less influence of basal flare. But yes it is not ideal either.