Larry Tucei and James Parton Pines

ENTS, Today, I continued working in the ENTS grove. In the re-measurement project, I'm up to eleven 150-ft pines in the grove. There are probably between 6 and 8 more to go. Some are packed in very tight and will take time to confirm. However, after adding five 150s today, I'd had enough and started thinking about the meaning of the grove. I decided to dedicate two of the new 150s to a couple of deserving Ents. So, everybody say hello to the Larry Tucei Jr pine and the Jessie James Parton Pine. James, your pine is a two for one deal. It is a single tree, but has two stems. The statistics for the two pines are as follows.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - 8:02pm - 8 new of 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Tree Ring research Video

ENTS, WNTS, Here is a short video that was produced by Indiana State University. It is on Facebook but I believe it can be accessed by anyone who goes to the link. It shows some sampling via chain saw of a couple dead trees and talks al little about tree rings. It is available in standard or High Def. Duration 2:16... more » By Edward Frank  - 7:04pm - 1 new of 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

CO2 debate

Eric, Biomass, and any other carbon-based fuel results in carbon, carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, oxides of sulfur, VOC (volatile organic carbon compounds), particulate (solid particles and aerosols), and a myriad of other organic and inorganic compound that result from combustion (potentially cpounds from all naturally occurring elements... more » By Gary A Beluzo  - 9:04am - 11 new of 11 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Oregon Old Growth

Hi, My name is Matt, I have followed ENTS for a few years now. I have studied forestry in Maine at Orono, fortunately I knew all the good spots to find old growth in Maine. Recently I moved to Portland Oregon to work for Oregon State University doing some remote sensing work. Completely new to the area, anyone know of some must see sites... more » By Matt  - 1:42am - 2 new of 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Two Trees

ENTS,   Today after work just before dark I decided to check out a couple of decent local trees that I have been meaning to visit for awhile. One is a nice sized Holly located on Naples Rd just above the RR tracks and the Naples Post Office. It is located just a short distance off the road so It was not hard to get to. The tree is 57.8 feet tall and 6' 4" in girth. Not a record but still a nice sized Holly.... more » By James Parton  - Feb 10 - 9 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Polluter Harmony
	ENTS, If you are really vehemently opposed to computer match-making, don't visit this site: [link] Edward Frank Western Pennsylvania By Edward Frank  - Feb 10 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

A ridiculous script from the perspective of the trees

ENTS, The ENTS Winter Playhouse is in full swing. Andrew currently has the action on Larry, Moe, and Curly , but we need to start a play told from the standpoint of the trees. Here's a first cut at scene #1 from "Jake and Joe Having Fun". Location: Mohawk Trail State Forest in the Trees of Peace grove.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 10 - 3 new of 14 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Buying Measurement Instruments.

ENTS, Lurkers, Many people have expressed a reluctance to get into the ENTS method of tree measurement because of the costs of the instruments. Foremost is the cost of a laser rangefinder, which may be in the $200 range. I want to encourage you to look for used instruments in places like eBay. I just purchased a second Nikon Prostaff 440 from a seller on eBay for $93. It looks to be in mint condition and works fine. Similarly clinometers can be found. A combo Suunto clinometer and compass was recently sold for $65. A 50 foot measuring tape can be had from discount stores like Big Lots for $10, and scientific calculators with trig functions were sold at Dollar General for $5 around Christmas. These options will bring down the costs greatly from full retail price. In addition you can actually get a Nikon 440 from eBay sellers rather than settling for the newer 550 rangefinder model with a less useful wider beam.... more » By Edward Frank  - Feb 10 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Historic Barns

The reference to barns definitely sparked my interest, but I thoroughly enjoy the varied postings that now appear on this listserv. I'm overwhelmed with email, but if I don't have time I just let it sit for a while. It's not as if anything is going to spoil. I pass on many of the posts to some of the science teachers in my school and I have a... more » By edward nizalowski  - Feb 10 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Ash, Maple, and ?? Oh my..

ENTS, Here is my latest discovery in the "woodpile"- a 2004Fender Stratocaster. Think of the guitar as an "anastomosis" of a swamp ash, sugar maple, and ??(not sure what the reinforcement spline in the "trunk" us made from). What do y'all have for fine woods in YOUR possession? Although not a "live tree", certainly a venerated destination. If... more » By Gary A Beluzo  - Feb 10 - 7 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Small grove of white pines-2
	Sorry about the size(unsure of how big it is) and not attaching to the orginal message. Maybe Ed can combine these three because I haven't figured out how to attach more than one photo at a time with my iPhone. Trees Are The Answer By Beth Koebel  - Feb 6 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Small grove of white pines

Today I volunteered at Rockwoods Reservation. Today was their Maple Syrup Festival. We, the staff and volunteers, start setting up around 8:00am and the vistors started coming around 9:00 - 9:30 a few at first then in droves. We ended up with over 850 people in a span of 4 hours. As I was relieving someone so they could have lunch and I had no vistors at my station I looked up and took these two pics of the pines.... more » By Beth Koebel  - Feb 6 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Reflections on the day

ENTS, This morning I arose early, showered, made coffee, packed my gear, gave my sleepy wife a hug and kiss, and like so many mornings before, headed straight for my forest Mecca, Mohawk Trail State Forest. The day was overcast and it looked like snow might greet me at some point, but the forecast was only for flurries, no accumulation. I felt no apprehension. Besides, I didn't really care. I needed to rendezvous with the the great whites along the old Mohawk Trail. They were calling me and I always heed their call. I knew that once in their presence, I would be warmly greeted. From countless visits, I knew that I could be feeling tired, out of sorts, uninspired, or even sick, but within moments of being in their presence, the process of renewal would begin. An energy transfer would take place. I can't prove it, or even have an idea as to the mechanism, but I believe it happens.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 6 - 16 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Lake Powhatan Trees

ENTS,   Today I returned to Lake Powhatan in BCEF to check out a grove of Norway Spruce trees I spotted while visiting the area on Jan 17th.   [link]   The grove is located just past the dam of the lake up on the hill to the left. The " grove " turned out not to be a grove at all but a line of Norways planted along the remnants of an old road. Tromping up the hill along a trail in the snow I get uphill enough to measure the spruces and can get a clear laser shot on both the bottom and tops of the trees. Seeing the trees from across Bent Creek they look really tall. I was thinking 120+. Upon measuring them I noticed by the numbers that the trees were gonna turn out a bit shorter than I had hoped for. I also roughed out a Shortleaf Pine below the grove at 100 feet and I knew right then that the spruces would be less than 112 feet high. Doing the math in the field I found the tallest to be only 109.2 feet tall. Not bad but not the 120 I was hoping for. Oh, well. However, I found one surprise. Sapling Norway Spruce!  A few had come up from seed. That is something I rarely see with Norway Spruce here... more » By James Parton  - Feb 6 - 12 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Report from MTSF for Tim Zelazo

Tim, Sorry we couldn't connect for an outing. It was a spur of the moment thought. Today was HQ, HQ Hill, Pocumtuck, and Indian Springs Pines day in MTSF. The day's catch will be told in both images and numbers. The attached spreadsheet HQHQHPIS.xls lists the trees I measured today, including three 150s in the Pocumtuck Pines. I didn't measure more 150s because the piness in the area of the 150s are very time consuming to measure. They are packed in like sardines, as you know. So, after struggling with a cluster of them, I wander off for easier pickings. The attached images are described below.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 6 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Re- Goddies for Tim and Bob

Larry, Love'um. I climbed West Spanish Peak back in the 1980s. Fabulous view. I do miss that country. Bob ----- Original Message ----- ...To: "Entstrees" <entstrees@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2010 8:55:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ...Bob, Tim The first photo is Spanish Peaks near Aguliar lookin west, second is Spanish Peaks looking north from near Lake Trinidad, third looking west from atop a small range, a 3000' climb., from near Blackhack Ranch. 4th is the climb I had to get the third photo not bad some snow though. I crossed private propery with permission then got on a jeep trail to the summit. Love it out West! So many mountains, so little time! Larry... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 6 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

giant Buttonwood

ENTS, I forgot I had this picture. I've been sorting my digital photos lately (I have thousands), and found this picture I took of the largest Buttonwood in the ghost town of Gloucester Furnace. The Gloucester Furnace area is along both sides of a dirt road in the northern part of Egg Harbor City. There are only 3 houses in the entire area there. I have been told that this tree once stood in front of the ironmaster's mansion, which is long gone. It's now in the side yard of a modern house. This tree most likely was planted when Gloucester Furnace started, which was around 1800. I feel farely confident that this tree is the largest tree of any species in the county. I'm guessing it to be easily 4 or 5 feet in diameter, maybe more.... more » By Barry Caselli  - Feb 6 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Off the beaten path...
	ENTS- Just a photo I thought some of you might enjoy, of a trail up North. Steve By Steve Galehouse  - Feb 5 - 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Goodies for Tim

Tim, Yes, I can take credit for the photo and composition. However, I'm not ready to declare myself a photographer just yet. But since you were kind, hear are a few images from last June to whet your appetite for and memories of that great western landscape that you and I love so well. The attached series is from Monica's and my trip from Durango to Silverton on the scenic narrow gauge railway.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 5 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Testing my lasers

ENTS Today, I started an accuracy and comparative test of the lasers I own. I do this periodically. The following table shows 10 trials involving the Bushnell 800, Nikon 440, Nikon Forestry 550, TP 200, and TP 360. The latter two lasers are my most accurate for distances up to about 60 yards. Beyond that distance, they often shoot about 1.0 feet short. The last column is a running average of the difference between the Nikon Forestry 550 and the TruPulse 360. If I continued testing, I believe the distance would tend toward 2.0 feet as an average. If for longer distances, the TP 360 shoots short about a foot, then subtracting a foot from the distances obtained from the Nikon 440 should give me accurate distances when I can't use the TruPulse.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 5 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Last of the Elders
	Tim, Thought you might enjoy this image from the Elders Grove taken on Feb 1st. For me, it shows why the great whites are the true elders of the Mohawk forest. Bob By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 5 - 16 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

future forest plan for MA

Bob: You have passed on some very good information and documentation of the effort and detail being done to plan the Massachusetts forests for a possible 100 year horizon. I wanted to pass on the link below about some studies that have been taking place at Walden Woods using 150 year old records created by Henry Thoreau.... more » By forestr...@aol.com  - Feb 5 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Eastern OLDLIST update, Feb '10

hi All, just wanted to notify you of a small, but interesting update for the max age list, Eastern OLDLIST: [link] 400 yrs has now been broken for *Q. macrocarpa*! Steve Voekler has contributed some nice ages for this species from SD and MN. we are approaching cross-dated 400 yrs for *B. alleghaniensis* with a nice... more » By Neil Pederson  - Feb 5 - 10 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Felix Dennis Tree Hugger

Felix Dennis is a self-made entrepreneur and poet from England. He has also become a tree hugger. In spite of the fact that he has blown over $100 million on drugs and women, he is the driving force behind a forest in Warwickshire in the UK Midlands that will eventually be between 10,000 and 20,000 acres. There is an entry for him in Wikipedia... more » By edward nizalowski  - Feb 5 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Mystery tree revisited

ENTS, Aw shucks folks, I think it is a pitch pine after all. Gary, Bart, and I went to photograph the tree and check its physical characteristics against the list that our fellow and lady Ents gave us. Our conclusion is pitch after all. The tree is large at 8.8 feet in girth and not tall at about 71 feet. However, the tree didn't have resin blisters nor give off any special scent. Its cones looked like pitch the more we looked. We examined more foliage and at first thought we'd found a pattern of twos and threes on the needle fascicles, but on closer examination, the twos probably represented lost needles. Sorry for all the fuss.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 5 - 10 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	The Golden Chinkapin
	ENTS, WNTS.   I never realized a Chinkapin could be so large. The eastern ones I am used to seeing are small and bushy. Oregon and California have huge ones with a form of a conifer! Check out the links!   [link]   [link]... more » By James Parton  - Feb 4 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Deciduous European larch

John: I headed out to Buckland State Forest today after my third meeting ended. My second meeting was a training by the USDA on the Asian Longhorned Beetle. The tunneling by beetle larvae girdles tree stems and branches and repeated attacks lead to dieback of the tree crown and, eventually, death of... more » By Timothy Zelazo  - Feb 4 - 7 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Gary, Bart, and Bob Show

ENTS, Today Gary Beluzo, Bart Bouricius, and yours truly headed out to look for tuliptrees in the Russell, Southampton, Westhampton, etc. areas. We examined the Westfield mystery tree first. I'll over that topic in another email. We then went to a Division of Fish and Wildlife site off Honeypot Road that was supposed to have tuliptrees. We didn't find any. So we switched gears and decided to look for pitch pines.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 4 - 26 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Back to Paul Jost on NEFR

Paul, I am impressed. Not many remember NEFR. In those days Joe was all fire and brimstone. Karl was of a naturally gentler disposition, but he was very intense when it came to his principles. Joe's Internet posts were visual works of art. They could be incredibly colorful with many fonts used. I'm unsure whether or not he was intentionally or unintentionally creating art, but for a period of time his posts captured people's attentions.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 4 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Question for Ernie

Ernie, I was surfing the Internet when I came upon the following while reading about Mt. Logan in Canada. On May 26, 1991, a temperature of -106.6 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded. It is thought to be the lowest temperature ever recorded on the North American continent , greatly surpassing the official low of -82 degrees Fahrenheit in the Yukon.... more » By Bob  - Feb 3 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	nikon prostaff 440 laser rangefinder
	ENTS, A seller on eBay has a Buy It Now Price of $100 for a used Nikon prostaff 440 laser rangefinder at: [link] Ed Frank Western Pennsylvania By Edward Frank  - Feb 3 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Two recommendation for a response to the TSC draft
	Bob: I thought it perhaps best that I separate out these two recommendations from the general discussion. This first statement would apply to lands in all three classifications: Although our organization focuses on native trees, we also appreciate the value and beauty of certain non-invasive exotic species... more » By Gaines  - Feb 3 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Tree Growth Spurt

Today I read - Forests in the eastern United States appear to be growing faster in response to rising levels of carbon dioxide - in the NY Times and was not sure if this is something that is just in isolated areas of the east or if this is a general phenomena; I am sure most of ENTS may already know but I have attached the link... more » By composer michael gatonska  - Feb 3 - 12 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Robinson State Park newsletter 2/2/10
	Bob, Gary, ENTS, Did you get this newsletter? They talk about Robinson SP Day on 6/19/10. There is also an inline attachment from MA Forest & Park Friends Network about Forest Futures vision Process. Sam By Sam Goodwin  - Feb 3 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Make of game of leaf identification

The cover for Games Magazine (April 2010) was a puzzle called "Case Study". Someone had mixed up the leaves in the display case and your task was to get the labels back where they belong. The cover isn't available online, unfortunately. These were the leaves in the case: oak, redgum, mulberry, pin oak, holly, catalpa, magnolia, sweet gum,... more » By edward nizalowski  - Feb 3 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Forest Visioning Plan: Green Certification
	Bob, If you want to know what other states with a well-established timber industry are doing with regards to green certification: * *Wisconsin DNR is dual FSC/SFI certified while DNR managed private lands are FSC: [link] * Michigan DNR is dual FSC/SFI certified: [link]... more » By Paul Jost  - Feb 3 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Forest Visioning Plan

ENTS, Because of the short time I have to respond to the TSC draft, I need to speed up the review process of Forest Futures . Instead of dealing with the TSC draft report line by line, time constraints dictate hitting the most important themes first. So, I'm putting the big stuff on the table all at once.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 3 - 15 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Starting the review of Forest Futures

ENTS, It appears that from a conceptual standpoint, the partitioning of DCR forests into woodlands, parklands, and reserves is acceptable to most of you, i.e. you acknowledge that the idea has merit. One and maybe two of you seem to be saying no partitioning - all to parklands and reserves. Clarifications would be appreciated. Again, I'm only referring to the concept. The details come next. We will address TSC's recommended acreages for each partition, and after that, what can and cannot be done in each partition. If I understand the responses to the partitioning so far, I would categorize them as follows. Please correct me if I'm wrong.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 2 - 27 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	GLO survey field notes - Ohio
	Steve, According to Wiki, [link], Ohio was the first state to be surveyed with the PLSS. At the bottom of the GLO-related page on this site: [link] I found the following references to GLO PLSS survey data for Ohio:... more » By Paul Jost  - Feb 2 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	times article
	interesting article in today's nytimes re: increases in diameter growth related to higher levels of CO2. : nytimes.com/2010/02/02/science­/earth/02trees.html Lisa By lbozz...@roadrunner.com  - Feb 2 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Balkans

Did anyone catch the PBS show Nature's episode on the Balkans? Stunning looking pine forests (as well as forest in general) in the Durmitor mtns region. I wonder how tall they get. The program briefly mentioned 160' but that might just be a typical average and I don't the area has been more than sparing measured. Whatever the... more » By Dinomys4  - Feb 2 - 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Frankentrees
	[link] By Joseph Zorzin  - Feb 1 - 23 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Elders Grove update for Tim Zelazo

Tim, Bart and I made it to the Elders Grove today and we finished updating the 150s there. I forgot my D-tape so we didn't get updated girths on all the trees. I had 5 measured from prior visits this year. The following table lists all the 150s and all but one or two 140s. I'll finish them on the next trip.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Feb 1 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Today in Stanley Park Westfield, MA
	Bob/Gary/ENTS, I know you have measured alot of trees in the park but have you measured any on the west side of the brook, the area off Granville Road? We found a maple or oak today and measured it at 15' 5" and 90' high. I will download 2 pictures of that tree and 2 of a pine and grape vine. Sam... more » By Sam Goodwin  - Feb 1 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Fw: The Quabbin Forest Massacre

FYI This is an update of Chris Matera's ongoing documentation of "forest management" at the Quabbin Reservoir. He flew over the Quabbin last week and this report has photos from that flight. Joe ----- Original Message ----- ...To: Chris Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:21 PM ... The Quabbin Forest Massacre... more » By Joseph Zorzin  - Feb 1 - 12 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	cold hike
	ENTS, Took a quick trip up to the southern Catskills on Saturday for a verrrrrrrry cold hike. Here's a link to a video of images - has the very original title "Cold" as that is my chief memory along with the beautiful forms made by the ice and swirling water of a brook. [link] Jenny... more » By JennyNYC  - Feb 1 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

"State of the Art" Silviculture/Clear-cutting

I think we need to have a separate topic for the forestry/silviculture issues raised by some of you in our MA Forest Futures review process. I don’t like to take unpopular positions and don’t like arguments, but in this case, I think it is really, really important. This statement/question—there have been others—is typical of what I... more » By spruce  - Feb 1 - 34 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	vast online library of forestry stuff
	Ed Frank has given links to lots of forestry stuff- here's more: [link] which is "Woodland Owners Guide to Internet Resources: States of the Northeast" it's 200 pages of links presumably there others for other regions that pdf file was located at: [link]... more » By Joseph Zorzin  - Feb 1 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Fw: Ride in a U2 Plane

ENTS, I know this isn't about trees, but for those of us who like to think in terms of heights, this is as high as one can go in an airplane without leaving the Earth's atmosphere. As someone who flew a lot with my father when I was young, viewing this video brings to mind memories of him and my first time above the clouds...... more » By Dale Luthringer  - Feb 1 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	herbie the elm tree in Maine
	Ents: The largest elm tree in New England recently died and had to be cut down. This is a link to an article on the tree that just came out. Sincerely, Russ Richardson _[link] ([link]) By forestr...@aol.com  - Feb 1 - 14 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Back to Gaines on lasers

Gaines, I promised you a review of the laser models I own. Since there is a lot of information on the tests available through past emails are website extracts, I'll summarize below. I am very fond of both TruPulses (200 and 360). Their lasers and tilt sensors are very accurate under controlled conditions, but alas, the lasers do not shoot through clutter very well the way my old Prostaff 440 does. The implications for Ents are clear. If you must view targets through clutter as we frequently do when measuring forest-grown trees, you are not going to be a happy camper with the TruPulses - especially considering that they are quite pricey. Neither does the Nikon Forestry 550 perform well in clutter, even when set to return the bounce from the most distant target sensed. For accuracy, Nikon did a good job with their Prostaff 440 and then proceeded to screw up the works with their replacement Prostaff 550. Best to stuck with the 440, if you can get a good one.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 29 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Nice image of two trees
	This is on the homepage for Jeff Manuel, solo piano: [link] Ed Nizalowski Newark Valley, NY By edward nizalowski  - Jan 29 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Southern Magnolia

ENTS, I was just thinking about this today. This tree can be found in a few yards around here. It makes a very nice ornamental. It is evergreen with dark green leaves and large flowers.   I don't remember it ever discussed in this group. Is this a species that can be found in any of the southern forests?... more » By Barry Caselli  - Jan 29 - 21 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Joint ENTS project

ENTS, Last year a project was launched by the Department of Conservation and Recreation (DCR) here in Massachusetts called Forest Futures. It was to be a visionary undertaking involving forest experts and stakeholders who would come together and develop a common vision for the future of our forests, recommend improvements to existing systems, regulations, and practices, and present the results to the Commissioner of DCR. The period from now until February 22nd has been established for public input. I am getting ready to review the draft report released by The Steering Committee (TSC). Many important issues are on the table, some highly contentious.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 28 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Historical Accounts of White Pine Heights - A Compilation

ENTS, Recently we have had some discussions regarding reports of white pines in New England reaching heights of 250 feet, and one case of 300 feet. These have been spread out over a half dozen topics and much discussion about whether or not these heights were possible. What I want to do here is to simply compile a listing of these accounts and their sources. I do not want this Thread to be a discussion of whether they existed or not - It should simply be a compilation of these reports. If you have copies of any of these accounts please add them to the thread. I have included excerpts from GREAT EASTERN TREES, PAST AND PRESENT by Colby B. Rucker, from the Bulletin of The Eastern native Tree Society, Volume 3, Issue 4 7 Fall 2008. I also have included to start a copy of a post by Time Zelazo - I am not sure of the source or date, and some general background information from Jack Sobon - beyond this I just want to compile the historical accounts and not have an extended discussion of their validity.... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 28 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Mystery pine

ENTS, Gary spotted an unusual looking pine today that looks like a shortleaf pine. Its needles come in bundles of 3, but are too long for pitch. The needles have a slight twits to them. The cones look like shortleaf pine cones. It is obviously a planted tree. The attached images show the tree in profile and the bark. Ideas? I'll take a second image of some needles and a cone with t=my iPhone and send it after this. The battery in my Nikon digital camera is exhausted, so I can't use it now.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 28 - 52 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

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	Sent from my iPhone Trees Are The Answer By Beth Koebel  - Jan 27 - 17 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Any opinions on this hypsometer
	ENTS: I am getting a Nikon 440 Prostaff range finder and a Suunto clinometer. I want to use what Will and others use and think is best. But, of course, my curiosity has been activated, and I am doing web searches for other kinds of things to do the job. Here is something I found that sounds interesting:... more » By spruce  - Jan 27 - 17 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

A definition of "Native" based on geographical range---question?

ENTS- Gaines' earlier question regarding the native status white pines on his property, in the "Index" thread, made me wonder how others in ENTS think of "native" as it applies to their own regions. Coming from a horticultural background, I've usually thought of native as within the state boundaries---Ohio in my case, but it could be narrowed down to county, city,... more » By Steve Galehouse  - Jan 27 - 10 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Pittsfield,MA
	ENTS, There is a MA State Champion eastern cottonwood listed for a small park on Columbus Street in Pittsfield,MA. Does anyone know if it is called Pitt Park. Thanks, Sam By Sam Goodwin  - Jan 27 - 16 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

BSF site list

ENTS, Bob, Tim, I returned to the BSF site to check the boundary markings. I was relieved to confirm the entire grove is within the marked boundaries -- marked by boundary markers on each side (Cowls Lumber owns the adjacent property) and with a stone wall as a monument. The site is in the lower right corner of... more » By John Eichholz  - Jan 24 - 134 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Leaf Carving: An Incredible New Art Form

Leaf Carving: An Incredible New Art Form by Stephen Messenger, Porto Alegre, Brazil [link] It's hard not to love the brilliant display of colorful foliage that signals the entrance of autumn each year, but as the cold winter winds prevail, those leaves that once beautified the landscape are left to collect on the ground or be begrudging raked-up in some weekend chore. A new art form emerging out of China, however, is making use of these brittle leaves--creating delicate forms that will continue to be appreciated long after the jackets and sweaters of winter are hung in closets and the green buds of a new season sprout...... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 24 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	10 Strangest Trees on Earth
	ENTS, 10 Strangest Trees on Earth Posted on 19 January 2010 [link] Ed By Edward Frank  - Jan 24 - 18 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Foxfire_Bioluminescence in the Forest

ENTS, Seeing James Cameron's Avatar made me think of bioluminescence in our forests. While we do not have anything like on Pandora, we in fact do have some bioluminescence in our woods. Locals here call it " foxfire ". It is caused by fungi. Have have seen it once, years ago while walking out of the woods late at night from a fishing trip. I noticed... more » By James Parton  - Jan 24 - 38 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Belt Woods Natural Area, Prince Georges County, Maryland
	ENTS, A recent trip to Maryland afforded me the opportunity to visit the famous Belt Woods Natural Area in Prince Georges County, Maryland. The site has a long history of conservation and stewardship that was incredibly well described by the late Colby Rucker. I will not even attempt to add to his... more » By Will Blozan  - Jan 24 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Hello- Introduction

Hello ENTS, Just so as to introduce myself, I am a composer living in CT and many of my works are based on trees. Right now I am working on a commission for the Hartford symphony and the work is entitled Black Tupelo. This is part of a series of musical works that I am writing about trees in historic Bushnell Park located in the center of the city. I have just... more » By composer michael gatonska  - Jan 24 - 12 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	ENTS Event - Mohawk site visit 1-23-10
	By Timothy Zelazo  - Jan 24 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

cool proverb

-----Original Message----- ...To: sandmome...@aim.com <sandmome...@aim.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:58 am ...An ancient Greek proverb says it all: a society grows great whenmen plant trees in whose shade they know they will never sit. ...Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:55 AM To: McCloud, Jacqueline... more » By sandmome...@aim.com  - Jan 24 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Two trees at Mount Vernon, VA

ENTS, Jeff, January 22nd I had a brief and agonizingly frustrating tree measuring trip to Mount Vernon. It rained/sleet/snowed most of the time and when it cleared the grounds were closed- including the area I was most interested in visiting; the "Forest Trail". Oh well, another trip is planned for this... more » By Will Blozan  - Jan 24 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	ENTS Event on 1-23-2010
	ENTS: The music, and poetry/prose celebration of nature after our hike in Mohawk was wonderful, and the dinner at the family table was enjoyed by all. Tim By Timothy Zelazo  - Jan 24 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Alexandria "Bicentennial Oak"

ENTS, Jeff, On January 14th I was awaiting the arrival of a friend in Alexandria, VA. With some time to kill I took a walk in a neighborhood park. On a map of the park was a spot named “Bicentennial Tree” about ¼ mile away. Needless to say, I bee-lined it in the limited time I had to see what it was. The crown... more » By Will Blozan  - Jan 24 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Travilah Oak, Montgomery County, MD
	ENTS, Last week on a family trip up north I visited a large oak near where I grew up. This gorgeous white oak, named the "Travilah Oak", was last measured by ENTS in 1997. Not much has changed in the dimensions, and this tree maintains one of the most symmetrical crowns I have ever seen. I measured... more » By Will Blozan  - Jan 24 - 12 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Proper attire for Ents

James, I look forward to hearing suggestions on proper ENTS attire from our lady and fellow Ents. Then, if I must replenish my wardrobe, so be it. But first there are important distinctions to consider. Will there be distinctions among the attires expected of northern, southern, and mid-western Ents? What of extreme forms? For example, will we officially acknowledge the Snow Ent - that illusive creature from Minnesota and upper Michigan and Wisconsin (we all know it exists) that loves to run unclad through the snow with icicles hanging from various bodily appendages? Hillbilly Ents? They have beards and wear long underwear, Right? And what of sophisticated Bostonian and New Yorker Ents? Certainly, they would not want to be confused with their rural cousins. This is getting complicated.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 24 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

A Numerical Method of Plotting Tree Shapes

A Numerical Method of Plotting Tree Shapes Anyone who looks at trees realizes that different trees have different shapes. Tree shapes also appear to vary by tree type. Three basic parameters are generally used to approximate tree shape: height, girth, and average crown spread. These values are used in a big tree formula developed by American Forests [link] to calculate the point value of individual trees for inclusion in their Big Tree List. The Eastern Native Tree Society (ENTS) [link] uses height and girth in calculating in their own ENTS Points formula and use either two or all three of these parameters in calculating the Tree Dimension Index (TDI) first proposed by Will Blozan for comparing trees within a single species [link].... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 23 - 20 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

More Norway Spruce

Ents: I returned yesterday to the site at the Buckland State Forest where I recently measured a Norway Spruce to 130'. In my previous post I noted the site had rich potential. I was curious about the extent of the Norway spruce area, and whether I would find any red spruce alive among the many skeletons.... more » By John Eichholz  - Jan 23 - 26 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Cheraw State Park

ENTS, Over the last few of weekends, I've been able to make a couple of trips to Cheraw State Park. This was the first state park designated in the state of South Carolina in 1934. The park preserves 7,361 acres and contains many different habitats. Lake Juniper is one of the most visited areas of the park and the area around the lake has one of the largest stands of Atlantic White Cedar in South Carolina. For these trips I made my way along the trails to the headwaters of the lake.... more » By Tyler Phillips  - Jan 23 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Avatar, again!

ENTS,   After hearing all of the hullabaloo concerning Avatar I finally made it to the theater to see it. First off as everyone has said, the graphics are outstanding. And even though the storyline and plot were simple I loved it. I loved the way the movie tied all living things together through Eywa. All the planets life forms fight the invaders at the end. Trees play a central role in the movie. If there ever was a " treehugger " movie, this is it.... more » By James Parton  - Jan 23 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

The "Leadmine" white oak

ENTS: Perhaps you all know about this tree, but in case anyone doesn't, here is what I know. In 1913 a white oak was cut down near leadmine, WV. This tree was far larger than any white oak I know of surviving today. As far as I know complete measurements were not taken, but reports have it that the tree was 13 feet in diameter 16 feet above... more » By spruce  - Jan 23 - 15 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Chestnut Run, Blue Hills Reservation, Milton, MA 01/22/10

Chestnut Run is a brook that runs east through an area on the northern edge of the Blue Hills Reservation. Woods adjacent to the lower part of the brook near Unquity Road have some of the tallest trees found in the reservation. These are not exceptional trees for New England but are good for the immediate Boston area. A white pine grove on the edge of... more » By Andrew Joslin  - Jan 22 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

NJ Pinelands Short Course

Passion for the Pinelands [link] By: ED MOORHOUSE Burlington County Times PEMBERTON TOWNSHIP - School will be in session soon for those interested in learning more about the Pinelands, but put away the books. The only resource needed for these classes is the million-acre reserve that covers portions of seven counties.... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 22 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Pennypack Park, Philadelphia, Pa.
	ENTS, Pennypack Park is located in Philadelphia Co., Pa. The park stretches nine miles along Pennypack Creek, for which the park is named after, from the Delaware River to the city's border with Montgomery Co. The park was established in 1905 and contains 1,395 acres, nearly all of it is wooded.... more » By George Fieo  - Jan 19 - 28 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Will Blozan in Massachusetts

ENTS, My friend Will Blozan and family has been visiting Monica and me over the past several days. I thought I'd put together a brief photo chronology of his visit. On Monday Will and I headed for MTSF. I wanted to make use of Will's eagle eye. He quickly sees what takes me time to sort out. The first assignment was to eyeball some of the Pocumtuck Pines for missed opportunities. The Pocumtucks are a crowded grove. The first image, Image WillInPocumtuckPine.jpg, shows brother Will next to a 149.1-foot tall, 8.9-foot girth white pine. This handsome beauty will likely join the ranks of the 150s at the end of this year's growing season. I took this image while standing in a leech field. We decided to name the tree the Poopy Pine.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 19 - 10 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Website People Pages

WNTS, ENTS, During the past couple of weeks I have been reworking the People Pages on both the WNTS and ENTS people pages. I want to invite you to check them out and get to know some more about some of your fellow members. ENTS: [link] WNTS [link] The navigation links within these pages are at the bottom of each page. You are still welcome to submit material for inclusion.... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 19 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

State Parks

I have noticed the past few days in some alarm that Iowa, Arizona, Idaho, and California are seriously considering shutting down their state parks. Apparently Arizona has already shuttered all but eight of its state parks. California is, essentially, thinking of tying its park system to revenues generated by allowing oil companies to drill... more » By JamesRobertSmith  - Jan 19 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Globe article on Herbie the Elm coming down
	Here's another article with an impressive photo of the demise of the old Maine elm: [link] - Laura Garcia By LTG  - Jan 19 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Maine's 240-year-old elm tree, Herbie, comes down

Forward from former member Randy Cyr Maine's 240-year-old elm tree, Herbie, comes down Published: 1/19/10, 12:05 PM EDT By DAVID SHARP YARMOUTH, Maine (AP) - New England's largest and oldest elm tree has been cut down. Workers using a bucket truck and crane cut down the tree, known as Herbie, on Tuesday. It had stood in Yarmouth since before the American Revolution.... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 19 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Tree Climbing

ENTS, WNTS, and Andrew, This morning I watched a really nice video of a climb of a white pine in eastern Massachusetts by Andrew Joslin. Gnarly white pine - Climbing a tree with character, White Pine, eastern Massachusetts, height 109.36ft. , circumference 9.55 ft., January 18, 2010 - "Balmy winter climb in a venerable old pine full of twisty deadwood and some nice limbs to hang a rope on. " 7:55 by moss TreeClimber (Andrew Joslin) [link]... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 19 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	white oak, oxford, ga.
	Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: jan 10 10 060 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. By John Voss  - Jan 19 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	white oak, oxford,ga.
	the little person at base is my 5'4" tall daughter with arms "akimbo"; large pine nearby is Pinus echinata, perhaps one third the volumn of the oak. By John Voss  - Jan 19 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	american elm
	nice pics and info at ubc site. link:[link] potd/2010/01/ulmus_americana.p­hp great plant site, new entry daily paste address into browser- sorry for inconvenience. jv was in covington, ga. this weekend. took photo of huge Quercus alba. as soon as i figure it out- will post.... more » By john  - Jan 18 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Carl Sandburg Pines.

ENTS, Today I took my daughter Sarah to visit the Carl Sandburg Home in Flat Rock NC which is now owned and run by the National Park System and is classified as a National Historic Site. While taking a long-way-around to the goat barns, we entered the forest via the trail on the back side of Connemara lake. Soon after entering the woods Sarah spied a... more » By James Parton  - Jan 18 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	WSJ article on Hemlocks and Woolly Adelgids
	Adelgids are hitting the big time- I found this article on Yahoo! (referenced from the Wall Street Journal online).  They cover a lot of other invasive species as well.  [link] Will Blozan and Jess Riddle's Tsuga Search project is referenced too.... more » By Eli Dickerson  - Jan 18 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Android App for Tree Surveys

Greetings... I posted this on the WNTS page too... My name is Frank Blau and I am a technology geek and Tree fanatic living in Western Washington. I have developed an application for the Android phone platform for collecting tree survey data. It can automatically store the GPS data that the phone has access to, as well as a photo and other pertinent... more » By Frank Blau  - Jan 18 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

What is it?

ENTS While walking in a flood plain of the Westfield River in Westfield,MA today I found some large leaves, 11" long X 13" wide that looks like a sugar maple leaf. Where the leaf meets the stem on the up side there are 2 small leaflets. I can't find it in the tree book or when I googled it. Any ideas? Sam... more » By Sam Goodwin  - Jan 18 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Fog photos
	ENTS- We had a really dense fog today, which I think makes the silhouettes of bare trees even more interesting. Here a a couple of pics. Steve By Steve Galehouse  - Jan 17 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Blozaning
	James, You wrote: I thought it is time to go " blozaning " ( a new ENTS term for off trail climbing steep hills on hand and knees through Rhodo. ) I think this is an excellent term to add to our glossary. Ed By Edward Frank  - Jan 17 - 11 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Bent Creek Experimental Forest_Lake Powhatan

ENTS,   Yesterday I got out to explore the area around Lake Powhatan in the Bent Creek Experimental Forest. The BCEF is part of the larger Pisgah National Forest and includes the North Carolina Arboretum. In the past I had sighted a big White Pine near Bent Creek above the lake as well as a Norway Spruce grove that I wanted to get a good look at. According to a site on the web some NS has been in BCEF since 1925 and may have had enough time to exceed 100 feet in height. I intend to see how tall they are.... more » By James Parton  - Jan 17 - 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

2 New England sites to look at?

ENTS, I think I've come up with 2 potential sites for the New England ENTS to look at. The first site is Island Grove Park in Abington, MA. This site was used as a meeting place for Abolitionists from 1846-1865; in the 1919(?) book on Historic Trees of Massachusetts large White Pines are shown at this site, and recent photos also show large White Pines but it's hard to tell how big they are from these recent pictures. I wonder if the ENTS could see how big and old these White Pines are.... more » By thomas howard  - Jan 17 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Arboretum

Hey all, As introduction, I am Special Projects for The Vincent J. Hebert Arboretum @ Springside Par in Pittsfield, Ma. The VJH Arboretum displays a wide diversity of trees & plants in formal & informal landscapes & larger natural areas for the peoples enjoyment, refreshment, inspiration and better understanding of the... more » By evad_2k  - Jan 17 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Fwd: ENTS introduction

as introduction via ed -----Original Message----- ...To: edfr...@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:27 am ... Hello Ed, My name is Alexandra Pappas (Sandy). I first researched ENTS as a response to my brother's (Michale A. Pappas) Champion Japanese Maple in Fairfax, VA. My fascination then turned to the dialogues of ENTS, in particular the discussions of such trees as the chestnuts and yellow buckeye. I believe I was the first to question the importance of viewing and reading the Ken Burns series.... more » By sandmome...@aim.com  - Jan 17 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Sandy Pappas

...To: edfr...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:27 AM ...Hello Ed, My name is Alexandra Pappas (Sandy). I first researched ENTS as a response to my brother's (Michale A. Pappas) Champion Japanese Maple in Fairfax, VA. My fascination then turned to the dialogues of ENTS, in particular the discussions of such trees as the chestnuts and yellow buckeye. I believe I was the first to question the importance of viewing and reading the Ken Burns series.... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 17 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

sugar maple bark

ENTS: There have been a number of recent posts featuring the bark of different trees. This is a photo of a 51" DBH/13.3' CBH sugar maple I found near an old homestead in central WV. The house has been gone for over 50 years and all that remains is the footprint of the house site. The sugar maple was a shade tree for the place. I encountered some very good lighting conditions that illustrated the bark characteristics very well.... more » By forestr...@aol.com  - Jan 17 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Historical measurements of trees--diameter question

ENTS- As I look through old texts and articles regarding tree sizes of the past, I wonder if the recorded information of tree diameters doesn't fit our current measurements due to the position of measurement---I'm not sure when the terms CBH or DBH became vogue, but I've not seem them used in old texts. I... more » By Steve Galehouse  - Jan 16 - 59 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

introduction

at edward frank's "gentle invitation" i offer my "introduction " to this group. i have been reading and forwarding messages and photos from this site for several months. i have found here, to my delight, a great group of committed tree admirers (my admittedly only true vocation is to admire the plants!)... more » By johnvoss1@netzero.net  - Jan 16 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Robinson State Park

Bob, I was in Robinson State Park today checking my skills with the new laser against your measurements of the champion tulip. There were 4 of them near each other and I forgot which one was the champion. I was only getting 122 to 129 feet high. My wife and I tried the 3 sides of the cove but couldn't get any better. We worked our way down into the cove and I measured the biggest cbh at 10'.3". I leaned a 12 foot branch against it to clear the under brush and we crawled back up to the area you were measuring them from. The branch seem to work as I got 136 feet total. Not quite your 139+ but close enough for me for now. How much of Robinson have you checked? Last week I was in the west and northwest sides of the park and found some white pines I want to go back and check. I was going to do it today but it got to late. Sam... more » By Sam Goodwin  - Jan 16 - 14 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Waccamaw Neck Live Oaks

Hi Pete, I've been a member of ENTS for a little over a year and have since gotten pretty good at measuring trees and documenting forests in the Atlanta area where I live.  I spent my childhood, however, in Georgetown, SC and am very familiar with Pawley's Island.  My family still lives in the area and I plan to visit in the coming weeks.  I'd be thrilled to have the opportunity to measure the oak in your back yard and any others you know of in the area.  You can shoot me an email off-list and we'll exchange phone numbers.  I bet we even know a lot of the same folks.  Pawley's/Gtown is only so big after all! ... more » By Eli Dickerson  - Jan 16 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Steve Sillett & Redwoods

ENTS, Joy and I just watched a program on the National Geographic Channel featuring Steve Sillett's research on Redwoods. It only made me wanna go to visit these forests. Joy was really interested in the tree climbing. She was a little surprised when I told her that ENTS like Will Blozan and BVP climb the same way.... more » By James Parton  - Jan 16 - 11 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

South Carolina Live Oaks

ENTS, I want to forward this portion of a message I received from Pete Saussy and see if there is anyone down there that can help him with some measurements.. You can click on his name in the post below to email him directly. Ed ----- Original Message ----- ...To: edfr...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:36 PM... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 16 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

SYCAMORE TREE

HI-I have included some photos of an Historic tree located down the street from me in NORFOLK,MA. Just by viewing its Girth I would guess that its is Old-Very Old. Standing next to the tree is my wife who has Terminal Cancer. She was NOT even supposed to see 2010. I am curious when I may gather the seed pods in order to plant another... more » By JAMES L. FAY  - Jan 16 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

revegetating a municipal park

Hello, ENTS. I've been lurking here since 2007, sharing your interest in tall trees, but I have not posted until now. I'd like to pose a question to your members. I manage a municipal park in Salem, MA, about 26 acres, which has many recreational uses, and is currently the subject of a wind turbine... more » By william hanger  - Jan 16 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Big Sugar Maples

ENTS, Among the few larger Sugar Maples in New York State (and slightly north of 43 degrees) is the great 13.8 ft. cbh and 116 ft. tall largest Sugar maple in the Liverpool School Maple Grove. Tom Howard ______________________________­______________________________­_____ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection.... more » By thomas howard  - Jan 16 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Big sugar maples

Jimmy, I suppose I should weigh in here. Large forest-growth sugar maples can easily exceed 12 feet in girth in the southern Appalachians and on occasion 14 or even 15. I'm unsure of what the largest one Will Blozan has measured. Many years ago, I measured a beauty that was 13.7 feet in girth and about 115 feet tall. Heights for Sugar Maple in the Smokies have been measured to slightly over 150 feet with many sugars in the 130s in several areas of the Carolina mountains. Moving northward, dimensions for the in-forest trees decrease. By the time the Taconics of eastern New York and Berkshires of western massachusetts are reached, a big in-forest sugar maple is more likely to be 10 to 11 feet around with only an occasional larger one. Open grown trees can exceed 15 feet with a few as larger as 18 or 19. I think this size range holds across New York.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 16 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Tree Signature Tags ( Sig-Tags )

ENTS,   My mother, Joyce Hayes has seen many of the posts we have done here on ENTS and has quite an interest in the outdoors herself, however she has made the comment a time or two that she did not think she could do that tree measuring stuff. However she has shown an interest in ENTS in other ways. ... more » By James Parton  - Jan 16 - 5 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	New Congaree Paper
	[link] Part of a study that researched if the saluda dam had any effect of the flooding cycle of Congaree National Park involved taking core samples from some of the trees. This was the first time the hardwood trees had been cored. Most trees were under 100 years old, but some... more » By Tyler  - Jan 16 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Where the Wild Things are.

ENTS,   I remember reading the award-winning book " Where the Wild Things are " as a child. It is a classic. A movie of it has now been released. I have not seen it but plan to rent or buy it on DVD release.   The " Wild Things " reminds me of Ed Frank's post " Fearsome Creatures of the Lumber Woods " that he posted a while back. It was a very entertaining read. ... more » By James Parton  - Jan 15 - 9 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Heart of the Wood
	ENTS, Many of you have seen me post songs featuring trees before. This one came out last year by the " Can You Duet " couple Joey and Rory. It is great. When the part plays concerning Jesus I get teary-eyed every time. It is the noblest thing a tree has ever done. Watch & Listen [link]... more » By James Parton  - Jan 15 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Height Measurement
	I'm new to the game and still using the old Hold out a stick height measurement technique. How accurate is that? Here's a sugar maple I measured Using that Technique. [link] This is the largest forest grown sugar maple I've seen in Minnesota,... more » By Jimmy  - Jan 15 - 10 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Horse Cove, NC

Ents, On Saturday, at the suggestion of Josh Kelly and Will Blozan, we followed the Davidson River west from Brevard, NC to explore Horse Cove and East Horse Cove. Ascending to just under 6000’ elevation, the surrounding watershed drains the steep southeastern flank of the Balsam Mountains, and features several granitic domes, the best known... more » By Jess Riddle  - Jan 15 - 7 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	Hello everyone!
	I just joined this group and wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. By Quach  - Jan 15 - 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Live Oak Growth Rates

ENTS, These are two photos of a Live Oak Stump with approx., 45-50 rings. The stump was 32 x 36' Dia., some of the radial growth was up to 1/2" thats quite speedy. I see many stumps like this from Katrina and have many more examples of growth rates in Live Oak. I also visted a old friend last weekend, the Friendship Oak in Long Beach, CBH-23, Height-39'. The spread on this tree is one of the greatest of all Live Oaks I've done in the past 4 years, 169.5'! It looks very similar to the famous Angel Oak in the Carolina's.... more » By lawrence tucei jr  - Jan 14 - 13 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	TREC & Erie Bluffs
	ENTS, On 7/28/09 I had a meeting at Presque Isle State Park. Afterwards, I met with their education staff to give them a brief tour of some of their bigger trees at their newly acquired Erie Bluffs State Park (previous trips known as the Coho Property): [link]... more » By Dale Luthringer  - Jan 13 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Dinsmoore Woods revisted

ENTS, On 7/22/09 my wife and I took a trip to Northern Kentucky for a week long conference in the vicinity of Dinsmoore Woods. We had previously visited this site on 9/29/07 and spent most of the afternoon due west of the homestead and south of RT18. We had a couple hours free time on 7/22/09 to tour the Kentucky countryside and decided to take another detour past... more » By Dale Luthringer  - Jan 13 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Build a Tree Ring Timeline

People, I thought this was neat: Build a Tree Ring Timeline: [link] NOVA Online | The Vikings | Build a Tree-Ring Timeline [link] The basis of dendrochronology lies in a tree's unique pattern of growth rings. The rings form a kind of fingerprint-actually, with its irregularly spaced lines, the pattern bears a remarkably close resemblance to a DNA fingerprint. ...... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 13 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	new book on Trees in Maine
	Dear ENTS, i hope this is not a repeat, but a new book on the trees of Maine came out recently. Apparently, it is a smash hit, and we are not talking a blowdown: [link] neil By neil  - Jan 13 - 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Gary Beluzo in the Elders Grove

ENTS, Today, Gary Beluzo and I headed to MTSF for a walk in the Elders Grove. I wanted to check on the condition of the pines in the grove, and yes, re-measure a key tree or two while there. The temperature stayed around 16 or 17 degrees. I sank up in the snow in places when I crossed a drift. I didn't use snow shoes. There was no wind, so I kept warm enough, except for me feet. Gary stayed warm enough.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 13 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	big and beautiful red oak.
	Today I had the privilege of climbing a massive red oak in the Marple Newtown vicinity of SE PA today. The homeowner is a grower of champion orchids and was concerned about several dead limbs from the tree overhanging her greenhouse. The Measurements, Height- 106.3 feet Spread- 84x75 feet... more » By shiplax  - Jan 13 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Forest Park with Bart and Sam

Larry, The distribution of the 12-ft girth oaks is very sparse in the park. So far we've found only three. Those three will get larger, but not necessarily a lot larger. I haven't tried to map out the size distribution for the oaks in Forest Park yet. But the vast majority will be from 7 to 10 feet around. On my next visit, I plan to take lots of photos of the trees to provide a better feel for what's there and what the trees looks like, age wise. None of the hemlocks I've seen in Forest Park appear very old, somewhere between 120 and 160 years. None have developed flatten crowns or bark characteristics of truly old hemlocks. The pines appear to represent a range of ages from about 120 up to maybe 200 years for a few, but most are under 200. Basically, the Park harbors a scattering of older trees embedded in a younger matrix. It is going to take time to sort out the age distributions. There are a few much older trees scattered around. A few are sugar maples, trees that probably reach 250 years, but nowhere that I've seen so far do they for a stand. Lots of work to do.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 13 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Fwd: Summer Internships at Congaree National Park

ENTS-- Here are some summer internship opportunities for the Congaree National Park. If you're a student, and never have been to the Congaree, this is a fantastic place with LOADS of giant trees, neat ecosystems, and other southern charms... If you're interested, do not respond to me, but send your inquiries to David Shelley (David_Shel...@nps.gov).... more » By doncbr...@netscape.net  - Jan 13 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Re-Tree Heights- Growth Rates

ENTS, After reading this most lenghtly post . Its hard to follow when we jump from topic to topic and my memory isn't what it once was. We talked about this in the past. Did anyone mention the higher C02 levels in the last 100 or so years plays a large factor in these speedy growth rates along with other factors that have already been... more » By Larry  - Jan 13 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

tree root compaction questions

ENTS, On a recent outing with Jess and Doug Riddle we observed a (likely) new state champion White Ash tree within Atlanta city limits that has a newly laid concrete path within 7" of it's base (see pic).  This is a large city tree at 128' x 14'. This was cause for concern, so I contacted those who planned and constructed the path and was given this explanation:... more » By Eli Dickerson  - Jan 12 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	TREC & Erie Bluffs
	ENTS, On 7/28/09 I had a meeting at Presque Isle State Park. Afterwards, I met with their education staff to give them a brief tour of some of their bigger trees at their newly acquired Erie Bluffs State Park (previous trips known as the Coho Property): [link]... more » By Dale Luthringer  - Jan 13 - 2 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Dinsmoore Woods revisted

ENTS, On 7/22/09 my wife and I took a trip to Northern Kentucky for a week long conference in the vicinity of Dinsmoore Woods. We had previously visited this site on 9/29/07 and spent most of the afternoon due west of the homestead and south of RT18. We had a couple hours free time on 7/22/09 to tour the Kentucky countryside and decided to take another detour past... more » By Dale Luthringer  - Jan 13 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Build a Tree Ring Timeline

People, I thought this was neat: Build a Tree Ring Timeline: [link] NOVA Online | The Vikings | Build a Tree-Ring Timeline [link] The basis of dendrochronology lies in a tree's unique pattern of growth rings. The rings form a kind of fingerprint-actually, with its irregularly spaced lines, the pattern bears a remarkably close resemblance to a DNA fingerprint. ...... more » By Edward Frank  - Jan 13 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	new book on Trees in Maine
	Dear ENTS, i hope this is not a repeat, but a new book on the trees of Maine came out recently. Apparently, it is a smash hit, and we are not talking a blowdown: [link] neil By neil  - Jan 13 - 8 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Gary Beluzo in the Elders Grove

ENTS, Today, Gary Beluzo and I headed to MTSF for a walk in the Elders Grove. I wanted to check on the condition of the pines in the grove, and yes, re-measure a key tree or two while there. The temperature stayed around 16 or 17 degrees. I sank up in the snow in places when I crossed a drift. I didn't use snow shoes. There was no wind, so I kept warm enough, except for me feet. Gary stayed warm enough.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 13 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

	big and beautiful red oak.
	Today I had the privilege of climbing a massive red oak in the Marple Newtown vicinity of SE PA today. The homeowner is a grower of champion orchids and was concerned about several dead limbs from the tree overhanging her greenhouse. The Measurements, Height- 106.3 feet Spread- 84x75 feet... more » By shiplax  - Jan 13 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Forest Park with Bart and Sam

Larry, The distribution of the 12-ft girth oaks is very sparse in the park. So far we've found only three. Those three will get larger, but not necessarily a lot larger. I haven't tried to map out the size distribution for the oaks in Forest Park yet. But the vast majority will be from 7 to 10 feet around. On my next visit, I plan to take lots of photos of the trees to provide a better feel for what's there and what the trees looks like, age wise. None of the hemlocks I've seen in Forest Park appear very old, somewhere between 120 and 160 years. None have developed flatten crowns or bark characteristics of truly old hemlocks. The pines appear to represent a range of ages from about 120 up to maybe 200 years for a few, but most are under 200. Basically, the Park harbors a scattering of older trees embedded in a younger matrix. It is going to take time to sort out the age distributions. There are a few much older trees scattered around. A few are sugar maples, trees that probably reach 250 years, but nowhere that I've seen so far do they for a stand. Lots of work to do.... more » By dbhg...@comcast.net  - Jan 13 - 4 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Fwd: Summer Internships at Congaree National Park

ENTS-- Here are some summer internship opportunities for the Congaree National Park. If you're a student, and never have been to the Congaree, this is a fantastic place with LOADS of giant trees, neat ecosystems, and other southern charms... If you're interested, do not respond to me, but send your inquiries to David Shelley (David_Shel...@nps.gov).... more » By doncbr...@netscape.net  - Jan 13 - 1 message - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

Re-Tree Heights- Growth Rates

ENTS, After reading this most lenghtly post . Its hard to follow when we jump from topic to topic and my memory isn't what it once was. We talked about this in the past. Did anyone mention the higher C02 levels in the last 100 or so years plays a large factor in these speedy growth rates along with other factors that have already been... more » By Larry  - Jan 13 - 3 messages - Report as spam Reporting thread Reported thread

tree root compaction questions

ENTS, On a recent outing with Jess and Doug Riddle we observed a (likely) new state champion White Ash tree within Atlanta city limits that has a newly laid concrete path within 7" of it's base (see pic).  This is a large city tree at 128' x 14'. This was cause for concern, so I contacted those who planned and constructed the path and was given this explanation:... more » By Eli Dickerson  - Jan 12 - 6 messages - Report as spam Reporti