TOPIC: Western white pines
== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 11:43 am
Western whitess look fairly similar to their eastern cousins, but
grow to slightly larger sizes in parts of their range and I think
the bark may develop deeper furrows. I'm unsure on that point. Like
the eastern variety, needles are in bundles of 5. Descriptions
suggest western cones are a little shorter than those of the eastern
great whites. BVP could far better expound of fine differences
between the two species. I imagine Don Bertollette can also. Don?
The western white pine is the Idaho state tree and Idaho is one of
the states where the species can be seen in a little of its original
glory - I think. Oregon is another state and maybe Washington. I
don't know if there are palpable differences between the western
whites growing in the Rockies versus those in the Cascades nad
I'm trusting that if my physical state will allow, I will be able to
search for some outstanding western great whites, measure and report
on them. As it stands now, the major newspaper in Pocatello plans to
do a story on my visit. Pretty neat, huh? East searches out west.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: James Parton <email@example.com>
> Have a great trip. I have never been to Idaho.
> Do the Western White Pines look much different then our
> Eastern ones? How tall do they get?
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 12:03 pm
Bob, East meets West! Have you been to the Priest Area( Roosevelt
Grove) Ancient Cedars? Larry
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 12:09 pm
From: John Eichholz
I was just in Portland, OR, and visited the arboretum, (connected to
beautiful city park you can hike in for 30 miles or so.) The western
white pines there had a shorter( 3"), denser needle cluster and
tips compared to eastern white pine. The needles really came out
all sides of the twig, more like a spruce would. The bark was
but the western was blockier. I didn't bring my measuring equipment
(too busy on the work aspect to bother) but the trees seemed about
large as the larger ones here. There is probably a lot more to say
about this beautiful tree.
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 12:14 pm
I spent several years working on the border between Montana and
Idaho in the
region known as the "inland empire" where western white
pine grows in all of
its glory. The area around Superior and St. Regis Montana and
Ives, Cour de Lane and Sandpoint, Idaho has some of the best and
pine I ever encountered.
Pocatello is too far south!
Have an incredible trip.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 2:08 pm
From: DON BERTOLETTE
Western White Pine in northern California wilderness areas have an
almost alligator bark when approaching or achieving old-growth. In
abundant cone years, we'd take a few and use them as instant fire
starters, as they tend to exude pitch, once open. A wonderful tree
in the mid- to upper-Sierra Nevadas, I can only imagine they get
better the further north they go.
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 2:18 pm
From: DON BERTOLETTE
One of my favorite western trees! They can get to be fairly good
size trees, although usually outdone in mixed conifer type forests
by ponderosa, sugar pine, doug fir, white fir, and cedars. Yes bark
can get fairly deeply furrowed, but typically at dbh height or
lower...yes, 5 needles per fascicle, and in comparison to western
pines, they're shorter...cones resemble a miniature sugar pine, thin
and long (hmmm, if memory serves me, I'd say 5-8", with a
slight curve)...maybe something about brachts too, off the top of my
head...cones are wonderfully pitchy if you're looking for a fire
starter! One match fires...
From my Wood Utilization class, I recall that they were valued for
their dimensional stability, and used in framing windows...the other
item of note was their susceptibility to white pine blister rust
whose host was ribes spp. (gooseberries, currants, etc.). Once
common in Yosemite NP, white pines were decimated in the 60's, 70's
if memory serves me right.
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 4:27 pm
No. I haven't had the pleasure. Where exactly is it?
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 5:48 pm
Bob, Here's a Link to Roosevelt Grove.
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 5:51 pm
Bob, Northwestern Idaho. Larry
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 18 2008 6:17 pm
From: Gary Smith
The Roosevelt Grove really does look like an interesting place, with
cedars said to be up to 12' dbh. I assume these are Western Red
Cedars, which I know can get really big.
I want to see this place myself.
TOPIC: Western white pines
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 8:35 pm
From: "Robyn Darbyshire"
Pocatello - I moved there (from Wyoming) when I was in the 2nd grade
left there when I graduated from high school. Lots of sagebrush and
phosphate mines and railroad tracks. I remember we used to go to a
Forest campground at a higher elevation where there were plenty of
pines and my mom would make us pick up pine cones so she could make
Northern Idaho is great white pine country. I earned my forest
degree at the University of Idaho in Moscow and worked several
northern Idaho and the white pine was my favorite tree there. I know
foresters who started their careers working on crews that were
eradicate Ribes to reduce the effect of white pine blister rust.