11, 2007 13:52 PST
We had a forester at a recent meeting say this:
"If there are rare species, we are obligated to protect
Keep in mind, that old growth has little or no rare species
except lichens present".
This seems to say, we cannot let this mature forest progress
to old growth, we have to harvest it to promote rare species!
Most of the rare species found to date are on riverbanks or in
sunlight areas anyway, not in the middle of the canopied forest.
Any comments on this? Its an interesting angle...
12, 2007 08:56 PST
It sounds like a silly thing to say that old growth areas have
or no rare species. In fact, most ecotypes have little or no
species; that's why they are rare. I don't mean to come across
smart alec, but this is an issue that really bothers me. Just
top of my head - rare species that are found in climax forested
communities/old growth stands: whorled pagonias, twayblade,
blunt-lobed woodsia, ginseng, toothwort, mtn sweet-cicely, showy
orchis, squirrel corn...... the list goes on. Either way, here
western NY, it is the old growth areas that are rare!
Various regulators/officials hold the same views that other
areas/ecotypes are more important (e.g. wetlands). This seems to
the easy fight, since they already have legislation to back them
(Section 404 CWA and Article 24 of the NYS FWA). Because of
factors, development is forced into uplands/older stands of
severe travesty, especially when the alternative for development
old farm field infested with purple loosestrife aka NYS
12, 2007 09:50 PST
Sounds like typical foresters language. Actually, the second
part of the
statement is an oversimplification. The number of rare species
can vary a
lot among old growth stands and types. Also, the types of
species that make
up the majority of rare species in old growth (if you look
America) are species such as fungi, lichens, mosses, and
insects, which are
important for ecosystem function, but not of interest to
Robinson is a bizarre case. Usually when there is disagreement
park and its neighbors, its because the park is in a remote area
neighbors don't like government intrusion or that land was taken
tax roles. Robinson is the only case I have ever seen where an
is at war with its neighbors. It should be obvious that a thin
mostly riparian land in an urban area surrounded by single
cannot be commercial forest.
13, 2007 16:13 PST
Actually, that's a good point of logic.
13, 2007 18:56 PST
Of course, an old growth forest is the quintessential "autopoietic"
ecosystem where the collective genetic wisdom of 3.9 billion
shaped those processes; a dynamic homeorrhetic system that has
resiliency to respond to internal and external perturbations.
forests don't come close.
13, 2007 20:04 PST
I think species can be "rare", but an association of
species even more so, and often these associations are what
called old growth-- a yellow birch, white pine, eastern hemlock,
butternut, paw-paw association versus a glacial relict tamarack
bog is "rarer", but the other association displays
more qualities of old