impressive West Virginia white oak   Dale J. Luthringer
  Feb 17, 2004 18:22 PST 
Bob,

As I chauffeured my wife and sister to Kentucky over the weekend, I was
also brushing up on Will's advanced old growth ID course:

'Old Growth 401: Old Growth/Ancient Tree Delineation at 70+MPH'.

Now I know why they have those rumble strips at the edges of the berm on
the interstate.

On the way south on I-79 to Charleston, I noted a number of very small
old tree pockets and old individual trees. There were some impressive
white oaks along the interstate. One in particular was a jaw dropper.
It was on the northbound sound of the interstate, so I made a mental
note of it and thought I'd try to measure it along the way back. Its
twisted limbs and trunk burls made a lasting impression.

Needless to say, we were able to make a very quick stop to get its girth
on the way back north. My wife was amazed at how someone can find one
tree out of 500 miles of highway. I was just happy that I didn't get
stuck on the chest high barbed wire fence I had to hop to get its girth.
I'm sure there are larger documented white oaks, but this single stem
19ft CBH (even) was no slouch. It had large head sized burls on its
trunk, with a nice spreading crown but thinning top. I estimate the
height to not go much over 70ft with a crown spread of 75-100ft. That's
all I could get considering the Sunday traffic.

The tree was located on the southbound lane of I-79 about 1 mile south
Exit 115/RT20 not too far from Fairmont, WV at the edge of a fallow farm
field.

Dale

RE: impressive West Virginia white oak   Robert Leverett
  Feb 18, 2004 05:32 PST 

Dale:

   I've developed quite a talent for using the rumble strips as guides
while searching for OG from the interstates. However, I poke along at
65.

Bob
RE: impressive West Virginia white oak   jarred trout
  Feb 18, 2004 05:50 PST 
i can attest to bob's use of the rumble strips.

we (the seasoned understudies) basically have two choices on that one...

1. offer to drive so bob can have un-divided access to peering out the window and getting used to howls and bob grabbing your arm while you are driving telling you to stop...

2. if bob does drive, offer the "shotgun seat" to a newbie that wants to learn about the green up close, rumbling, and personal.

its a real good thing that bob never had a vehicle with a sun roof or t-tops...

RE: impressive West Virginia white oak   jarred trout
  Feb 18, 2004 07:05 PST 
so much for jim morrison
and keeping your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel...

maybe we could as a group, invent some 'eco-friendly' wrap/buffer that we could attach to our vehicles...(we all know someone's car we could proto-type it on)

ents.... safety is job 1

jt

Looking at trees while driving   Robert Leverett
  Feb 18, 2004 07:43 PST 

Jarred:

   As you know, Jani had lots of stories to tell about my notorious
focusing on tree tops while driving. I can just hear her say in her calm
voice, "Bob, do you want me to drive so you can look at trees?"

   She was always such a lady on our trips. A lesser soul might have
barked out something like: "Hey, Dodo, you're going to kill us both.
Give me the !@#$%^&*() wheel if you're going to look at your !@#$%^&*
trees!" I would have deserved it, but that never ever happened.

   I think Will might also have a story or two about tree gazing while
driving. However, we could tell a few stories on Will.

Bob
Re: Looking at trees while driving   jarred trout
  Feb 18, 2004 08:01 PST 
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Bob:

maybe ents...

as part of our mission to save "the brain trusts" which allow for saving of the trees

should purchase a used bus...

seeing that i am out of work, i would be willing to submit my credentials to be your driver.

we could hit the hot spots around the country, picking up folks like you, Will, Dale, etc.
and y'all could leaving the driving to me...

i could even get some paint on sale at the ACE Hardware and paint-up the ol' green mojo-mobile as part of a PR campaign...

see the attched mock-up

jarred trout
Re: Looking at trees while driving   Lou Sebesta
  Feb 18, 2004 09:09 PST 

Excellent idea! I know how hazardous to drivers and pedestrians it can
be if the tree surveyor drives as well. Absolutely don't even dream of
doing it for an urban survey.

Here's my vision: we can brew up a big milk can full of Electric
Coolaid and hit the road. Count me in. I'm feeling stir crazy, it's a
brilliant sunny day and a hint of spring is in the air.   Lou
Re: Looking at trees while driving   greentreedoctor
  Feb 18, 2004 09:35 PST 
Speaking of tree gazing while in the commission of operating a motor vehicle...Back in the early '90's, while approaching the long causeway from Emerald Isle, NC, I got a call from one of my best clients. The executrix of the Star Hill golf course asked me for a "ballpark estimate" of doing rightaway work on the left side of the road, prior to entering the bridge. 

I thought I was swift. After all, wasn't I a contract animal? As I drove, I kept on glancing over my left shoulder, while comparing it with my odometer, to come up with a per yard estimate. As you may well have guessed, a most unusual tree "caught" my attention.   When my eyes returned to the road, I saw a slow mover just ahead. I must have been traveling at least 50 when I noticed this car was not moving at all and had no brake lights. I hit my brakes for all I and my ABS was worth. Bam!!! My ranger probed that Probe (Ford). Totaled it! 

Four very angry Marines peeled out of that mashed subcompact like so many Carolina ground hornets and made a "beeline" towards me. I took a few steps towards the side railing of the causeway. I figured, if I could not calm these boys down, I suppose I could jump the 300 feet to the inland waterway below. I had no problem with the height, but the swallow 4 foot depth might just mess me up. Well, I was able to calm these boys down; I didn't have to jump after all. It turned out that there were "3 accidents" on the causeway that day. Until the cops arrived over an hour later, we shared some tense moments and fully explored the more colorful side of the English language. Now I pull over to look at the trees...sometimes!

Randy   
RE: Looking at trees while driving   John Knuerr
  Feb 18, 2004 14:23 PST 

Jarred,
You know those cool outriggers they have attached to some of those safari
type Range Rovers. I can just picture an Eastern Old Growth Tree safari
version. We could have several tree measurers on the outriggers at once -
maybe even comparing and calibrating instruments - as we tool past the
trees. Can you picture it - dust flying - the air carrying voices with
sounds like: "35, no 37, no 40 .... hell, I can't get no yardage reading
like this!!"
RE: Looking at trees while driving   edward coyle
  Feb 18, 2004 16:43 PST 


Looking at trees while driving. To the uninformed this may seem completely
bizarre, and foolish behavior, but to those in the know, there really is no
other way.

Most people go their way, motoring along completely aloof to their
surroundings, but we do not. There is much to see and appreciate in this
world, and at the pace most live with, observation must be done at breakneck
speed to cull out the average from the extraordinary. One drawback to this
method is that once discovered, an extraordinary tree must be stopped for
exponentially faster. That, or drive in reverse 1/4 mile on the shoulder.
Some might call it obsessive bevior. If you find yourself taking friends
to the airport ' the back way', and find yourself having to explain to them
the importance of this particular Green Ash, you might be obsessed. You
might just have a passion for what you do, and are creative in doing so.
I'll opt for the latter.

I dare say that most rural ruts along the road are caused by tree hunters,
and birdwatchers, than drunks.
But whatever, so long as we are looking at trees while driving, and not
driving at trees while looking, we should be OK.
Long live the observant, and appreciative.
                                                                             
                      Ed
RE: Looking at trees while driving (excerpt)   Will Blozan
  Feb 19, 2004 18:09 PST 

Here is an excerpt from an article written years ago by Nathaniel Axtell for
"Appalachian Voice", Spring 1998.

"It's a sunny spring day, we're driving through the Appalachian foothills
with the windows down, and I'm in the backseat listening to Will Blozan and
Michael Davie scope out beauties. "Man, look at that one!", Blozan exclaims,
his head pivoting 90 degrees as we drive past. Davie whistles
appreciatively, twisting around in the passenger seat to catch a better
look. A few miles later, Davie spots another shapely enchantress and Blozan
almost drives off the road, so smitten is he by the sight.

By the time we reach Clayton, Georgia, my neck hurts from craning to see all
the gorgeous creatures Blozan and Davie have pointed out along the way.
Finally, the rising lust inside the car reaches a zenith. Blozan can't take
it anymore. "I've got to get out of this car," he says, skidding to a stop
at the end of a dirt road. We all climb out, hot to trot.

For those of you not bitten by the same love bug, it's had to fathom, these
married men salivating at the sight of a shapely limb. But you start to
understand when you see first hand the objects of their affections: a
towering pitch pine, a stately walnut, a perfectly formed red maple in the
middle of a pasture. Blozan, Davie, and their fellow members of the Eastern
Native Tree Society are just plain passionate about trees, especially big
trees.


LATER, I'M OFF TO CHARLESTON!!!

Will